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		<title>By: Tod McKenna</title>
		<link>http://blog.todmeansfox.com/2007/04/04/the-64-bit-excuse/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Tod McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thank you for your comments (it&#039;s great to see your name)!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t think that the VFP syntax is important. So creating a CLR &#039;version&#039; seems a bit counterproductive and pointless (so I agree that it isn&#039;t a solution).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The true worth of VFP from my POV has always been VFPs position as a RAD tool, its cost and licensing structure, its string handling capabilities, and of course its native database. These four things make VFP a very powerful tool to develop everything from full scale, multi-tiered apps to basic prototypes (and everything in between). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Don&#039;t get me wrong, though. I like C# very much. I&#039;ve also been programming in PHP for several years (and like that, too). I am currently working on a huge Data Warehousing project using SQL Server 2005 and various other tools. I just feel that the issue (from MS) isn&#039;t about &#039;moving on&#039;, but more about the bottom line: VFP clearly cuts into the more lucrative .NET/SQL Server ambit. And in some ways, VFP is better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew!</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments (it&#8217;s great to see your name)!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that the VFP syntax is important. So creating a CLR &#8216;version&#8217; seems a bit counterproductive and pointless (so I agree that it isn&#8217;t a solution).</p>
<p>The true worth of VFP from my POV has always been VFPs position as a RAD tool, its cost and licensing structure, its string handling capabilities, and of course its native database. These four things make VFP a very powerful tool to develop everything from full scale, multi-tiered apps to basic prototypes (and everything in between). </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, though. I like C# very much. I&#8217;ve also been programming in PHP for several years (and like that, too). I am currently working on a huge Data Warehousing project using SQL Server 2005 and various other tools. I just feel that the issue (from MS) isn&#8217;t about &#8216;moving on&#8217;, but more about the bottom line: VFP clearly cuts into the more lucrative .NET/SQL Server ambit. And in some ways, VFP is better!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew MacNeill</title>
		<link>http://blog.todmeansfox.com/2007/04/04/the-64-bit-excuse/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew MacNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tod,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t think the 64-bit is an &quot;excuse&quot; as much as it is their reason for moving forward. Look, they dumped FrontPage to recreate Express. VB 6 into VB.Net. VB 6 is never going to be 64-bit either.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think your points about FoxPro&#039;s appeal are very valid - but if your reason for not jumping to C# is Rushmore with Native DBF support, then I think you&#039;ve shown why they would never do it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They want developers to embrace the LINQ model, SQL server DOES have rushmore technology now, so you&#039;ve got an OLE DB provider to give you DBF support, LINQ to give you data access and now what is there to keep you in Visual FoxPro and not in C#?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My answer would be the overall architecture of the IDE. The entire &quot;hack it yourself&quot; approach, while yes, you can do it in Microsoft&#039;s newer environments, they just don&#039;t feel the same. I know that sounds fairly &quot;vague&quot; or &quot;sentimental&quot; but I think it&#039;s a valid statement. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Vista (or its server successor Longhorn) is Microsoft&#039;s last 64-bit OS - after that, they will be rebuilding (yet again). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If they could recreate FoxPro in a 64-bit IDE offering but with native DBF support (as well as SQL, etc), would that be the solution? Well, Microsoft wants their languages to be VB or C#. You want something else? Build it yourself. Someone mentioned something to me about a possible VFP-syntax like addition to the CLR. Then you work in the Visual Studio IDE (which Microsoft wants) but have your own language. (The FoxPro DotNet toolkit was one - not sure if there&#039;s another initiative)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Would that answer the demands of VFP developers world-wide? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sadly, I don&#039;t think it would. Just my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tod,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the 64-bit is an &#8220;excuse&#8221; as much as it is their reason for moving forward. Look, they dumped FrontPage to recreate Express. VB 6 into VB.Net. VB 6 is never going to be 64-bit either.</p>
<p>I think your points about FoxPro&#8217;s appeal are very valid &#8211; but if your reason for not jumping to C# is Rushmore with Native DBF support, then I think you&#8217;ve shown why they would never do it.</p>
<p>They want developers to embrace the LINQ model, SQL server DOES have rushmore technology now, so you&#8217;ve got an OLE DB provider to give you DBF support, LINQ to give you data access and now what is there to keep you in Visual FoxPro and not in C#?</p>
<p>My answer would be the overall architecture of the IDE. The entire &#8220;hack it yourself&#8221; approach, while yes, you can do it in Microsoft&#8217;s newer environments, they just don&#8217;t feel the same. I know that sounds fairly &#8220;vague&#8221; or &#8220;sentimental&#8221; but I think it&#8217;s a valid statement. </p>
<p>Vista (or its server successor Longhorn) is Microsoft&#8217;s last 64-bit OS &#8211; after that, they will be rebuilding (yet again). </p>
<p>If they could recreate FoxPro in a 64-bit IDE offering but with native DBF support (as well as SQL, etc), would that be the solution? Well, Microsoft wants their languages to be VB or C#. You want something else? Build it yourself. Someone mentioned something to me about a possible VFP-syntax like addition to the CLR. Then you work in the Visual Studio IDE (which Microsoft wants) but have your own language. (The FoxPro DotNet toolkit was one &#8211; not sure if there&#8217;s another initiative)</p>
<p>Would that answer the demands of VFP developers world-wide? </p>
<p>Sadly, I don&#8217;t think it would. Just my two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Tod McKenna</title>
		<link>http://blog.todmeansfox.com/2007/04/04/the-64-bit-excuse/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Tod McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that would kill a great portion of VFP&#039;s appeal. I think one of VFP&#039;s greatest assets -- and one of the primary reasons MS bought it in the first place -- is Rushmore with native DBF support. If we lost that, then I would certainly jump 100% into C# and not think twice about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that would kill a great portion of VFP&#8217;s appeal. I think one of VFP&#8217;s greatest assets &#8212; and one of the primary reasons MS bought it in the first place &#8212; is Rushmore with native DBF support. If we lost that, then I would certainly jump 100% into C# and not think twice about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Espina</title>
		<link>http://blog.todmeansfox.com/2007/04/04/the-64-bit-excuse/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Espina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every time Microsoft sold a copy of FoxPro, I think Bill Gates thought about all the money they were losing from not being able to sell a copy of SQL Server,&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So what? strip out DBF support but leave internal cursor technology (this means, the ability to create and manipulate memory cursors). This way we can use VFP as a frontend for SQL Server (or whatever) and Bill AND we would sleep better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every time Microsoft sold a copy of FoxPro, I think Bill Gates thought about all the money they were losing from not being able to sell a copy of SQL Server,&#8221;</p>
<p>So what? strip out DBF support but leave internal cursor technology (this means, the ability to create and manipulate memory cursors). This way we can use VFP as a frontend for SQL Server (or whatever) and Bill AND we would sleep better.</p>
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